[Squeakland] Looking for good souls

Alan Kay alan.kay at squeakland.org
Sun Apr 23 16:13:26 PDT 2006

Hi Markus --

I don't think this would be a great idea. Squeakland is explicitly for 
teachers and parents (and they are very shy as it is). I think it would be 
very confusing to convolve discussions about Etoys with discussions about 
Squeak (especially since most of these users think Etoys is Squeak).

Let's set up a separate list please.




At 02:59 AM 4/23/2006, Markus Gaelli wrote:

>On Apr 23, 2006, at 11:16 AM, francois schnell wrote:
> >> On 23/04/06, Markus Gaelli <gaelli at emergent.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I also think it is important not to end up with a plethora of lists,
> >> so my suggestion is to reuse squeakland for also posing and answering
> >> basic smalltalk questions.
> >> - Kim, would it be ok to ask smalltalk questions on squeakland?
> >> I think one factor of the success of the french squeak list, is that
> >> it focuses on education, be it with etoys or smalltalk.
> >
> > I actually think it would be a bad  idea  to mix using etoys
> > questions with finding your way in the class browser (not the same
> > thing, not the same targeted audience).
> >
> > Concerning the french Squeak-list, which is a good list, if you
> > look closely you won't see a lot people actually *learning*
> > smalltalk : giving example of problem they have with their code,
> > asking for help, etc.
> >
> > For the moment the Squeak lists reflect its community state.
> > Apart from Squeakland  (for etoys), Squeak is  orientated  research/
> > hackers which is OK   but I believe it *needs" students/teachers/
> > people *learning* Squeak to produce useful tools-apps (not mainly
> > research ones)
> >
>Exactly. With you, Hillaire, Stef, Serge and others we have these
>educational but still technical people in the french list - as there
>are some willing and helpful old time squeakers like Scott, Bert,
>Yoshiki and others in squeakland.
>So I actually don't understand why we should not strive to get all
>this people together who are interested in Squeak as a learning
>platform, be it for smalltalk, etoys and the rest of the universe -
>as long as there is some interest to keep squeakland of course.
>I don't think we are enough to allow us to split into more and more
>subgroups, think about the currently quite quiet lists of tweak and
>Instead we better join forces in some "squeak and learning" list, and
>isn't that what squeakland is all about?
>Please reply to squeakland also, there is not too much traffic on it
>Or maybe neither you nor Stef are registered there, which I'd find a
>bit strange ;-)
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