Kim Rose Kim.Rose at viewpointsresearch.org
Mon Jul 8 08:36:40 PDT 2002

I am curious to learn more about "Rik Smoody's Squeak class for 10-12 
year olds".   Will Rik be using the "etoy" component of Squeak to 
teach this or Morphic?  What kinds of projects will the kids be 
creating?  How many kids will participate?
  -- Kim

At 1:37 PM -0700 7/3/02, Edwin Pilobello wrote:
>I am currently teaching a Logo class for high school students.  I am
>also assisting in a Java class (same age group). In two weeks, I'll sit
>in on Rik Smoody's Squeak class for 10 - 12 year olds.

>I'm hoping to get a sense of how each paradigm builds a foundation for
>learning to program.  Of course, there's going to be differences in
>pedagogy.  The Java course is tracking traditional "Hello World".  I
>prefer a "black box" approach.  Rik will have his own style as well.  In
>addition, Java is algebraic, Logo is lambda-calculus and Squeak is
>Squeak (? what's a good word?).
>Fortunately, all three instructors are professional programmers.  We're
>(1) not afraid of our own bugs, (2) practiced in real world applications
>(3) emergent to the needs of the class (4) can teach programming in many
>I shudder to think of what it's going to take to move all of this
>programming pedagogy into the regular classrooms.  Unlike the paper and
>crayons of an art class, the medium of programming is equally
>unforgiving of experts or beginners.
>A bug is a bug!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-squeakland at squeakland.org
>[mailto:owner-squeakland at squeakland.org] On Behalf Of Diego Gomez Deck
>Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:39 AM
>To: squeakland at squeakland.org
>Subject: Re: Factors
>>I don't think adults who have never programmed are challenged in the
>>by OOP.
>Of course my experience is *too* far away from the Alan's one, but I can
>tell you my experience:
>The last year, I was responsible to teach OOP and Smalltalk to two
>different groups of persons.  One group was composed of Agronomical
>professionals with near to zero experience with computer, the other
>was composed of computer near-professionals.
>The computer professionals had a *lot* of problems to lean OOP, but the
>Agronomical had NOT problem at all.... Most of them are using Squeak as
>tool for research ( http://www.agro.uba.ar/smalltalk/ )
>In in the other side, the teaching was *much* more funny to me teaching
>the agronomical professionals.
>>But the first paradigm that one learns seems to have quite a lasting
>>effect these days. It was easier in the early sixties when I learned
>>because there were no orthodox machine or language architectures, and
>>had to learn at least 20 or so. This helped quite a bit when a new idea
>>came along .... By the end of the sixties, all had changed, and data
>  >structures and procedures had quite taken over.
>  >
>  >Cheers,
>  >
>  >Alan
>Diego Gomez Deck


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