[etoys-dev] Etoys: Etoys-Richo.103.mcz
sthomas1 at gosargon.com
Sat Feb 11 09:44:42 EST 2012
I do not think it will affect your Quick Guide (assuming we leave the
"decimal places..." option in the menu (which I would vote for.
Also in looking at your Decimal Places Quick Guide, I noticed the following
on Page 1:
This menu is used to *set the number of decimal places your project uses.*
More accurate wording would be: set the number of decimal places for this
variable. (or value, not sure if we want to raise the distinction between a
user defined and pre-defined variable here, probably not).
The *menu shows in the Viewer and in Watchers*.
Well technically it does show in a detailed watcher, but only in the Halo
menu icon for the readout string, which to get to requires multiple "right
So you may want to change this to shows in the Viewer.
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Kathleen Harness <kathleenharness at gmail.com
> What do these changes for the decimal places option mean for the current
> Quick Guide: Menus/Decimal Places? Should it be revised or removed?
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Steve Thomas <sthomas1 at gosargon.com>wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Scott Wallace <
>> scott.wallace at squeakland.org> wrote:
>>> On Feb 10, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Ricardo Moran wrote:
>>> Hi again, I've been working on the "decimal places" option and now I
>>> don't feel is a good idea because we would still have the "decimal
>>> places..." menu item in system-defined slots. I feel this wouldn't be very
>>> consistent. Maybe the dialog with just name & type would be good enough.
>>> Arguably yes... However, since you've already done the work to have the
>>> decimal-places element come and go in the panel, depending on the type
>>> chosen, and since its presence in the panel helps make users conscious of
>>> the "decimal places" feature, which they might otherwise not be aware of,
>>> maybe we should keep it there...
>>> In any case, this is an excellent and timely and really welcome piece of
>>> work, Richo -- yay!
>>> Any comments from Ed Team about this?
>> Comments :
>> 1. Richo Rocks
>> 2. When when I click on the *Type* - a new window pops up, which I
>> find visually distracting
>> 1. Having something similar to clicking on the sound tile in a
>> "make sound" tile in a scriptor is better
>> 2. A further improvement would be something more like a drop down
>> menu, where the colors don't change and as you mouse over the selections
>> they are highlighted.
>> 3. I like the showing of decimal places when you select number.
>> Consistency and minimalism are great (but not always best for new learners)
>> 4. I would put back the title bar "Add Variable" as it is not obvious
>> what the downward pointing pink arrow does (ah the curse of knowledge when
>> the expert is trying to teach the novice)
>> Finally my dear Ricardo, you may wish to consider heading the advise of
>> Ben Franklin to Thomas Jefferson when he was drafting the Decleration of
>> "*I have made a rule, whenever in my power, to avoid becoming the
>> draughtsman of papers to be reviewed by a public body*. I took my lesson
>> from an incident which I will relate to you. When I was a journeyman
>> printer, one of my companions, an apprentice hatter, having served out his
>> time, was about to open shop for himself. His first concern was to have a
>> handsome signboard, with a proper inscription. He composed it in these
>> words, 'John Thompson, Hatter, makes and sells hats for ready money,' with
>> a figure of a hat subjoined. But thought he would submit it to his friends
>> for their amendments. The first he showed it to thought the word 'Hatter'
>> tautologous, because followed by the words 'makes hats,' which showed he
>> was a hatter. It was struck out. The next observed that the word 'makes'
>> might as well be omitted, because his customers would not care who made the
>> hats. If good and to their mind, they would buy them, by whomsoever made.
>> He struck it out. A third said he thought the words 'for ready money' were
>> useless, as it was not the custom of the place to sell on credit. Every one
>> who purchased expected to pay. They were parted with, and the inscription
>> now stood, 'John Thompson sells hats.' 'Sells hats!' says the next friend.
>> 'Why, nobody will expect you to give them away. What then is the use of
>> that word?' It was stricken out, and 'hats' followed it, the rather as
>> there was one painted on the board. So the inscription was reduced
>> ultimately to 'John Thompson,' with the figure of a hat subjoined."
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