[etoys-dev] Compressing sources
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Thu Jan 14 02:31:55 EST 2010
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Hilaire Fernandes
<hilaire.fernandes at edu.ge.ch> wrote:
> Why the .sourche and .change files are need in the shipped Etoys ?
> Should it not be in etoys-dev only?
Generally those are NOT needed for run-time purpose.
Those are needed on Sugar/OLPC platform so that kids can browse
and review code (show source functionality, that is one of of the core
features of OLPC) .
> 2010/1/14 Ricardo Moran <richi.moran at gmail.com>
>> What about using Smalltalk abandonSources as Eliot suggested on
>> I just tried with and etoys-dev image and it complained about a syntax
>> error in MMetaParser>>mExpr so I blindly removed the whole package and tried
>> It finished without errors and the image seems to be working ok.
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de>
>>> Maybe someone can help with
>>> This is what led to it:
>>> [23:15:52] <Mitch_Bradley> bertf: ping
>>> [23:16:08] <bertf> Mitch_Bradley: pong
>>> [23:16:32] <Mitch_Bradley> we are looking at disk-space-saving
>>> [23:16:41] <Mitch_Bradley> I want to ask about etoys possibilities
>>> [23:16:53] <bertf> Mitch_Bradley: for 1.5?
>>> [23:17:03] <Mitch_Bradley> Could /usr/share/etoys/EtoysV4.sources be
>>> [23:17:07] <Mitch_Bradley> yes, for 1.5
>>> [23:17:41] <bertf> I thought that had larger disk than before?
>>> [23:17:48] <Mitch_Bradley> it does
>>> [23:18:04] <bertf> can't be compressed easily, no
>>> [23:18:13] <Mitch_Bradley> and that fact is being used by *everybody* as
>>> a justification for pissing it all away
>>> [23:18:26] <bertf> understood
>>> [23:18:46] <Mitch_Bradley> under what circumstances is .sources used, as
>>> opposed to .image
>>> [23:19:17] <bertf> whenever you look at the source code. the image stores
>>> file offsets
>>> [23:19:22] <Mitch_Bradley> how about decompress-on-first-use?
>>> [23:19:33] <bertf> can't write there
>>> [23:20:07] <bertf> there was a hack once allowing to compress it. not
>>> sure how stable that is
>>> [23:22:04] <bertf> I'll try to find that hack
>>> [23:23:57] <Mitch_Bradley> how about locales - could we prune
>>> /usr/share/etoys/locales ?
>>> [23:25:08] <Mitch_Bradley> it is ironic that smalltalk is so large
>>> [23:25:44] <Mitch_Bradley> not as ironic as "Micro"soft, though
>>> [23:27:33] <bertf> well if you're sure that some locale is not needed,
>>> you can just delete the .mo file, yes
>>> [23:34:03] <Mitch_Bradley> decompressing EtoysV4.sources.gz to ram takes
>>> 0.7 seconds.
>>> [23:35:51] <bertf> not bad :)
>>> [00:01:04] <bertf> Mitch_Bradley: I found the sources hack
>>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3510 in what time frame would we have to
>>> incorporate that?
>>> [00:02:36] <Mitch_Bradley> bertf: I don't know what our current release
>>> train looks like, but I think that we would probably want to fold in the
>>> space-saving change whenever it is available.
>>> [00:03:05] <bertf> Mitch_Bradley: when would it be too late?
>>> [00:03:32] <cjb> bertf: within 7 days should be ok
>>> [00:04:41] <bertf> cjb: okay. can't promise anything but I'll see what I
>>> can do. or get someone to do.
>>> [00:04:49] <Mitch_Bradley> thanks!
>>> - Bert -
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